Category: morality

Discussion with Luke, an American Christian

Luke and I don’t see eye to eye on very much but we do show that it’s possible to discuss and argue, passionately at times and still remain cordial and genial at the end.

This is a discussion/debate with Luke Villareal, an American Christian. We had a few technical problems resulting in fairly poor video quality on my end and no image at all from Luke. However that beats our first attempt during which we couldn’t get anything to record at all.

The rule was that we both get to record it and we both can publish it online as we see fit but without any edits. There is one small edit in the original where I cut out about a minute of ‘dead air’ whilst I attended to my dog. Other than that the video is completely unedited.

Luke and I don’t see eye to eye on very much but we do show that it’s possible to discuss and argue, passionately at times and still remain cordial and genial at the end. Let us know in the comments what you thought of the points raised and especially let us know if either Luke or I managed to change your mind about anything.

The theology of warfare

How do Christians justify their commitment to kill people because some politician tells them to?

I regularly come across either serving or veteran military personnel in these atheist v theist groups who also identify as Christian. As a rule such people express pride in their military credentials and some even seem to assume that they deserve special consideration or respect as a result. This has always confused me.

How can a Christian join an organisation in which they will be expected to kill (or support the killing of) other people simply because a politician decides it’s a good idea? As we all know, military interventions are not always motivated by noble intentions.

I don’t suggest that military service isn’t courageous, even heroic and I fully understand that it genuinely can be necessary (although it often is not). It’s the decision to ‘join up’ that I find confusing.

How is a commitment to take the lives of unknown others at some future date for as yet unknown reasons, ordered by currently unknown politicians with equally unknown motivations in any way consistent with Christian values?

How do Christians justify their commitment to kill people because some politician (whose motives may be very reprehensible) tells them to?

A transparent trans-parent

I’m so tired of uninformed, unfeeling and above all uncaring Christians having a go at Trans people.

I’m so tired of uninformed, unfeeling and above all uncaring Christians having a go at Trans people. It’s what Christianity always does – they can’t demonstrate the reality of the deity they claim to believe in; they can’t make any reasonable arguments for its existence and they can’t persuade anyone of its truth without resorting to lies, distortions and ad hominem attacks.

It used to be ‘fornicators’ they attacked until people started being more open about their sex lives. It used to be gay men and latterly women until reasonable people realised that other peoples’ sex lives are none of their business. It used to be those who need an abortion until, apart from in the states, people began to accept that wider social and economic issues take precedence and now it’s trans people.

The church always needs someone to hate – a visible but not too strong minority to be the bogeyman. Unfortunately for Christians though the world moves on – secular morality develops and outgrows the nonsense of Christianity as the church hops desperately from target to target trying to keep up.

The source of Christian morality: It’s not what you might think

Church won’t excuse your bigotry,
You’re only there ’cause you agree!

Church won’t excuse your bigotry. You’re only there ’cause you agree!

John & Mary go looking for a new church

Judge not, lest ye be judged

Some Christians in their arrogance,
Imagine hate is all I see,
They’re certain that without their God,
there can be no morality!

Judge not, lest ye, yourself be judged! A brief poetic offering for both #atheists and #theists, especially #Christians about judgement.

Who are you to judge me?

There’s no hate like Christian love

Does your Jesus really want you to display all that hate?

I have to ask. Behind your mask what’s this about? The way you shout? The way you claim to know what’s right and pretend that you’re fighting some ‘good fight’?

If you have to lie to make your point, your point isn’t worth making!

Fearful, you cower before your LOrd, a willing slave to Jesus’ word but did he really want all that hate? When you reach the pearly gate will ‘love the sinner, hate the sin’ really be your ticket in? Or will the hatred you display to athiest, to trans and gay condemn you to a devil’s Hell? 

Not real of course. That’s just as well or you’d be in that lake of fire, watching as the flames grow higher because you are a blatant liar. You bear false witness against your neighbour telling lies of every flavour. Evolution, sex, the Bible. Your deception has no rival.

Be grateful that your God’s not true ‘cause if he was, he’d slaughter you!

Do you also unto me

You say that your morality comes from that book you read.

“Whatsoever you do to the least of my brethren, do you also unto me”

(Matthew 25:41-46)

You say that your morality comes from that book you read, its pages stuffed with guidance for the living and the dead. But if that’s true then why do you ignore so very much? What other moral guide informs your choices as you clutch your pearls and criticise, condemn your fellow men and hang on to your riches instead of helping them?

Did not Jesus say to sell it all, give proceeds to the needy? Conveniently you forget that part, it’s all so very seedy.

You focus on the Bible bits that let you judge your neighbours, judging trans men for their lack of tits and trans women get no favours. They can’t even use a public loo without explaining it to you.

You oppose sex education but insist girls go full term after a night of uneducated enthusiasm when her ova met his sperm. Some of you even shun the girl to raise her child alone. Is that really what your Jesus wants whose guidance you have overthrown.

You long for resurrection when you say I’ll go to Hell

But if your Bible tells the truth then you’ll be there as well.

10 (revised) commandments

These are the God free guide’s 10 commandments, updated for the modern world. They’re much more in line with how the world really is today and with how genuinely decent people ought to treat each other.

So apparently this Moses guy, you know, the one who wrote in detail about his own funeral (as well as about towns that weren’t even founded until centuries after his death) also wrote some commandments. Yeah, I know he said God wrote them but since neither God nor Moses actually existed I think we can safely assume they were made up by ordinary men. Ordinary MEN, not women, mind you. Men who lived in the desert herding camels and treating anyone without a penis like property. Perhaps that’s why the 10 commandments are so control-orientated.

But worry ye not – I’ve improved them for you. These are the God free guide’s 10 commandments, updated for the modern world. They’re much more in line with how the world really is today and with how genuinely decent people ought to treat each other.

Here they are…

Numbers 31: Genocide, Infanticide, Misogyny and Sexual slavery

What your Pastor won’t tell you.

What your Pastor won’t tell you: Genocide, murder, infanticide, Regicide, misogyny, kidnapping and sexual slavery. And all that in just 18 #Bible verses at the beginning of Numbers 31!