Christians often tell me that I can have no morality without a belief in God.
That’s nonsense.
Here’s why…
Godless morality
Christians and other people of faith claim that unbelievers cannot have morality. That’s ridiculous. Here’s why…
Tag: morality
Part 2 with Jonathan
It is my belief, which I told Jonathan several times throughout the discussion, that he simply is not equipped for this type of discussion.
This is both the longest and the most infuriating conversation I’ve had with a Christian. It’s definitely what you might think of as ‘long form’. It is my belief, which I told Jonathan several times throughout the discussion, that he simply is not equipped for this type of discussion. I have advised him to learn the basics of his religion and to actually read his Bible.
In the second half he demonstrates his utter contempt for anyone who doesn’t agree with him, his dismissal of any notion of equal rights and just how much he deserves the rarely applied (but in this case very well deserved) label of ‘Christofascist’.
His misogyny, racism, homophobia and xenophobia are expressed with a smug pride that has to be seen to be believed.
If we give people like Jonathan an inch they’ll drag us all straight back to the bronze age!
Discussion with an Eastern Orthodox Christian
Atheism is not a belief system.
Meet Jonathan Stephan, an Eastern Orthodox Christian from America who has some very particular views on atheism and the utility of Christianity.
No moral morality
You invalidate humanity, Personify hypocrisy,
As hymn by hymn, And prayer by prayer,
You smugly sit, In your armchair,
While others do the work you claim,
Can only happen in your Jesus’ name.
Have you no shame?
You say I can’t be moral without God, ‘Cause I don’t pray.
Wittering about “Where the saints have trod”, Or so you say.
Denying my compassion, Like it’s going out of fashion,
You invalidate humanity, Personify hypocrisy,
As hymn by hymn, And prayer by prayer,
You smugly sit, In your armchair,
While others do the work you claim,
Can only happen in your Jesus’ name.
Have you no shame?
Bronze age morality
The Christian moral compass only points back to the Bronze age!
You say that you have morals, But you don’t,
You claim I have no conscience, And you’re certain that I won’t,
Know right from wrong…
What Christian morality?
Your moral compass points right back to the bronze age!
There is no such thing as Christian morality in any meaningful sense. Rather there’s a list of ancient rules, many of which make no sense at all in the modern world.
The source of Christian morality: It’s not what you might think
Church won’t excuse your bigotry,
You’re only there ’cause you agree!
Church won’t excuse your bigotry. You’re only there ’cause you agree!
Judge not, lest ye be judged
Some Christians in their arrogance,
Imagine hate is all I see,
They’re certain that without their God,
there can be no morality!
Judge not, lest ye, yourself be judged! A brief poetic offering for both #atheists and #theists, especially #Christians about judgement.
There’s no hate like Christian love
Does your Jesus really want you to display all that hate?
I have to ask. Behind your mask what’s this about? The way you shout? The way you claim to know what’s right and pretend that you’re fighting some ‘good fight’?
Fearful, you cower before your LOrd, a willing slave to Jesus’ word but did he really want all that hate? When you reach the pearly gate will ‘love the sinner, hate the sin’ really be your ticket in? Or will the hatred you display to athiest, to trans and gay condemn you to a devil’s Hell?
Not real of course. That’s just as well or you’d be in that lake of fire, watching as the flames grow higher because you are a blatant liar. You bear false witness against your neighbour telling lies of every flavour. Evolution, sex, the Bible. Your deception has no rival.
Be grateful that your God’s not true ‘cause if he was, he’d slaughter you!
Do you also unto me
You say that your morality comes from that book you read.
“Whatsoever you do to the least of my brethren, do you also unto me”
(Matthew 25:41-46)
You say that your morality comes from that book you read, its pages stuffed with guidance for the living and the dead. But if that’s true then why do you ignore so very much? What other moral guide informs your choices as you clutch your pearls and criticise, condemn your fellow men and hang on to your riches instead of helping them?
Did not Jesus say to sell it all, give proceeds to the needy? Conveniently you forget that part, it’s all so very seedy.
You focus on the Bible bits that let you judge your neighbours, judging trans men for their lack of tits and trans women get no favours. They can’t even use a public loo without explaining it to you.
You oppose sex education but insist girls go full term after a night of uneducated enthusiasm when her ova met his sperm. Some of you even shun the girl to raise her child alone. Is that really what your Jesus wants whose guidance you have overthrown.
You long for resurrection when you say I’ll go to Hell
But if your Bible tells the truth then you’ll be there as well.
The God free guide 